Punters Profits
It’s not often we at OBE will give much time to a tipping service, in fact if memory serves, we’ve only ever looked at two in our history, both had their merits but for one reason or another couldn’t be given a full thumbs up.
However, I think I may have unearthed one of the best tipping services out there. It’s a service called Punters Profits and it concentrates on laying horses at the lower end of the market, more often than not the favourite or second favourite. This is the first thing that attracted me to Punters Profits. Too many other services quote great profits but all it takes is one high priced loser (winner) to wipe them out. Things are different with Punters Profits as the highest you’ll ever lay is 6.0 on Betfair, and you’ll regularly be laying well under that, in fact the average price is less than 4.2! They also have an enviable strike rate of 80% which when you add together with the maximum odds means that straight away you’re on to a winner!
As I said, Punters Profits is an advisory service and they are excellent at getting you an email the evening before racing so you’ve got plenty time to sort out your bets. The email is short and straight to the point, with anywhere between one or two selections and a dozen! The fact that you get the email the evening before racing and that there’s no complicated rules means it’s simple to run it on auto-pilot using the likes of the Grey Horse Bot.
Punters Profits offer a couple of different ways to play their selections. Either straightforward level staking at 1% of the bank or staking to a liability of five points. Personally, I’ve taken the liability route because the odds are so low I’m often making more profit than if I level staked.
I have been tracking the service since early June, and even though they’ve suffered the odd losing week, I’m well in front for the period. In fact I’m using £50 a point (so total liability of £250 per bet) and in the two months I’ve been testing it, I’ve banked a shade over £4500! Had I been level staking, I’d have banked a shade under £3500, which isn’t too shabby if you ask me!
Now, not everyone is going to be happy laying at £50 a point, but even at half that, that’s still a monthly income of over £1000…. completely tax free!
Punters Profits have been kind enough to forward the full year’s results to me and they make for pleasant reading. The two months that I had been independently testing showed very similar results and the rest of the year’s figures suggest an average weekly income in the region of £600 using the five point liability staking plan, and £440 if using the level staking method.
Punters Profits offer a first month’s discounted subscription rate of $40 or around £20 and subsequent months are priced at $90 or £45. Some may think that’s a little pricey, but when you consider the profits they’ve been making then it becomes good value for money.
Overall, from what I’ve seen to date, I can’t fault Punters Profits at all. I don’t know what selection method they use, but I’d sure love to get my hands on it…. 
Online Betting Exposed
Another good day for PP & the Bonus. The Bonus Start & Stop staking has hit 3K again already in just 168 bets. Thats 3K five times since Aug 19th
Ho Ho Ho!!!
Some interesting posts on the PP forum tonite from Jason. :O
@Jim,
Agree with what you say on the ‘meeting of minds’. What we don’t want though is any kind of kneejerk reaction and a wobbler thrown in due to backtesting which could result in backfitting. That was my reason for questioning the deletion of Sundays. It’s been downhill since then. I’m not saying that’s the reason, but it could be a factor for all we know. I would like to know what difference there would have been if they’d been left in, good, bad or the same?
Getting the bet on as close as possible seems to be critical as there has been quite a varience in everyones results due to that. Even so that didn’t save me from last week.!!!
I tried your staking plan on Main last night, as the Mutt and I are going nuts being subjected to Strictly Come Dancing at full wellie. It doesn’t seem to work on my results from 2nd Oct but that was when I was getting on earlier.
Hi Jeff
I ‘luckily’ only got matched on two but unfortunatley both losing bets. I’ve only been laying at above 2.50 in the last few days so I managed to avoid the lower priced loss.
The profit i’ve quoted is using the official results at 5 pt liability. I also have the bot (at around 20 seconds) so should get pretty close to the official results.
Yeah, I know what you mean. I’ve had to lower my stakes now so it’s going to be a long way back just to my original bank. It worrys me that over 90% of the current profit was in the Jan-Jun period and only 10% in the last six months. Let’s hope that the next Jan-Jun follows a similar pattern…
4/4 for me as well Jeff although I reduced my liability on Binocular as that was obviously the lay I had most doubts about.
Got matched at 5.9 on Thought for Stardom as well.
Bonus lays going very well at the moment though. Very few winners. Unfortunately when they do win it seems to be at 4s or 9/2 - first one today for example while the shorties are getting turnover. Not a problem if staking to liability but am using Jims staking plan so bigger hits although quick recovery.
Am laying to liability on Mains.
At least ppl are trying to come up with filters & ideas. Its good to see some posting on the forum at last too. If we bang our heads together im sure we’ll come thru this patch smiling
The big meetings are always dodgy, i’d prefer to leave them out completely in future.
@jason,
Another ‘Nightmare on Elm Street’ or ‘Nightmare at Ascot’ anyway.!!! I’ve got 4/4 losing bets. I may have been unlucky to get matched on ‘Thought for Stardom’ @ 6.00 which romped home although the SP was only around 4/1.
Showing -29.06 points since statring in October. I would have still have shown -4.21 points loss from 2nd Oct to the 8th December with that filter. That could be because I’ve now brought the bot I use closer to the off.
This one is severely testing our resolve.
Hi Guys
Looking through the PP Main results since the beginning I think there may be a case for not laying anything below 2.50. This is also the figure that Glen from Betgear says has been most profitable so far on the Dodgy Favourites system (which also targets short priced horses).
Higher profits for the year for less bets (for both level stakes & 5 pt liability) and takes the strike rate past 80%. Had we done this since the beginning of October to 8th December we would of turned a 36 pt loss (in this difficult period) into a 18 pt profit. Also seems to have smoothed out the losing months without taking too much off the top in the good months.
Worth keeping an eye on…
@Jim,
ref your staking plan.
I notice that your increase is always 50% of the origional stake not the last losing one. In your example £5 on £10 stake. Obviously this has less impact on the later £100 stake. Also as you reduce you stake by 1 point following a winner this obviously has a lesser effect as the stakes increase through the progression. Shouldn’t that be reduction by % rather than by 1 point?
I tried running my own results (Main only) from 2nd Oct using your plan rules but using all of the day’s racing selections as a group (i.e. after a losing day increase all of the next days selections by £5) not each individual selection which would have got around the bot problem. That gave me -18.9 points compared to L/stakes -16.64. So not a lot of difference.
Another thing I tried was betting within Min 2.00 - Max 3.50. (Main only). That showed a level stakes profit of 4.67 (was 12.65 before this weeks disaster) compared to -16.64 (-3.74 before the disaster) You obviously lose a lot of bets and can go for days without one. May suit your staking plan better although there are still quite a few days with multiple selections.
Indeed a good day for PP, well needed too. +13.3 pts covering the lot and it should make a big impact on the staking plan
I was dreading the last at Wolvs tho as the final pick always seems to do some damage. Not the case today.
Well lads - was critical in post below regarding last week.
Only fair I redress the balance by commenting on a top tipping day. Full house of qualifying selections up on the Main (four) and by my figures thirteen qualifying lays on the Bonus with only two both at less than 2s going in.
So excellent work and well done.
Intelligent little blighters those Spaniels. Mine loves watching ATR
Hi Jeff,
Addy is sward.73@hotmail.com.
Cheers
Jeff,
Wouldn’t mind exchanging current system views with you also.
mark.goodby at googlemail dot com
(and any the Mutt is following too)
Cheers
Mark
@sligoboy,
If you’d like to put up your e-mail I’ll reply on that.
Hi Jeff.
Good to hear you are getting some good returns elsewhere. What systems would you recommend?
Heres hoping PP will turn the corner in the run-up to Xmas.
SB
@ Jeff,
My thoughts exactly on the plan. It deos get crazy if left to run on. Stakes get mightily high. I’ll keep monitoring for a while longer but the cut off & restart certainly looks the way to go.
I reckon 500 quid every 4/5 weeks with a start stake of £2 and a £200 bank will be easily achievable. Keep ya posted
Ooooh so have we Guy……a free month in January.
Nice one Dan
Lets hope it turns out well.
ohh I’ve made some savings today ?!
@Jim,
I’ve seen and tested that staking plan before. It can get out of hand if you’re not careful so your bail at a ceiling suggestion would be the right way to go on that one.
PP for December for me has produced 15 winners (losers for us) out of 32 bets so a bit of a disaster compared to previous results. As I don’t know how the selections are arrived at I’m curious to know why it’s been nose diving since early November. Combine that with the increase in subs due to the Pound/Dollar exchange rate and it’s difficult to find reasons to hang in there, especially when other stuff is doing OK.