The Ultimate Betting System?
Tipsters, dear readers, are a strange bunch - and they’re everywhere! Type “tipster” into Google and you’ll be hit with around 2,960,000 results! Granted, not every result will be an actual tipster, but even if just 1% of them are that’s just shy of 30,000 guys and gals out there who enjoy taking a bit of verbal for a living!
I say this because tipping can be a thankless task. You have a run of 3, 4, God forbid 5 losers and you quickly become as popular as Mr Bin Laden (and you’d better be just as good at hide and seek!). Bear in mind the reason they’ve come to you is because they couldn’t find a winner in a two horse race yet still they will not tolerate losing runs! One loser, maybe two, will be forgiven but any more and you’re on shaky ground!
So, how do you get around this inevitable losing run? The answer is, if you are an honest tipster, you don’t. Losing runs will happen regularly and any tipster worth his salt knows that he’s looking for long term gains, not a short term ‘fix’. It’s just a pity far too many punters are looking for exactly that fix - or is it??
For those of you that watched Derren Brown’s The System the other night you may have an idea as to where this is heading - for those that didn’t, bear with me! You see, there are honest tipsters out there - no doubt, however, there is also a not so honest type that have spotted a cunning angle to exploit in an attempt to pull a profit from this. The ’system’ is painfully simple and at this point I must admit that I have almost fallen victim to this scam myself.
Take, for example, Max Redd who run’s a tipping service called Redd Racing. By all accounts, his daily service does seem completely genuine and up front bar slight discrepancies in the odds he claims to get, however, he also runs a ‘VIP Betting Club’ which is sold on the basis that he has top stable contacts and gets to know when a horse is likely to run a blinder. His website tells of magical, double figure prices of up to 20/1 (not once but twice!), and he’ll even give you a free tip up front before you pay him anything! “Sounds like a fantastic service - show me where to sign” I hear you cry, and indeed I will (http://www.reddracing.co.uk/vip.htm), however, before you rush over there you may want to read on.
You see, I tried out Max’s VIP service, and the horse ran well, even looked at one point like it might win before breaking down. The name of the horse in question escapes me, however, the pilot was a certain Mr L Dettori and the trainer a Mr S Bin Suroor - hardly an inspired selection and certainly not double figures! So, it was a bit of a disappointment but undeterred I decided to sign up for another free selection from another email account and again the selection lost. I decided to try one more time and, still not anywhere near convinced enough to spend my hard earned on an unproven service, I used yet another email address. Sure enough and as promised I received my email on the Saturday morning. I then opened up my other email accounts to find additional emails from Mr Redd in there too! Strange I thought, but not to worry - until I opened said emails to find different selections in each! So, here I am sitting with three emails from the same person for the same race with three different selections! For the mentally challenged amongst you - the idea is to tip up a bundle of horses in any one race and send subscribers different selections. That way you won’t please all the punters but you will please a fair few!
Now, I’m an easy going kind of lad, however, I must admit that my feathers were indeed a little ruffled by this! So, I set about emailing Mr Redd and smugly informed him that I was ‘on to his little scam’ to which he did courteously reply telling me that he had deliberately sent me these differing selections as I had tried to get multiple free trials. I hold my hands up to this, but Max’s explanation is a little shoddy for my liking! If he was indeed on to my multiple attempts to test his service, why not simply ignore me? In addition, why send the selections to my previous email addresses? It’s only a one week trial so I wasn’t expecting anything in those. Finally, and here’s the clincher….why would he send me three different selections to three different email addresses on the same day and for the same race if he knew I was signing up for multiple weeks? Surely, he’d realise that it wouldn’t take Inspector Cluso to question what was going on!
I’m not upset to say I have never tried Max’s VIP service since, nor does it pain me to inform you - our valued readers - that you should avoid this service with the utmost fervour, but it does upset me that Max is only one in an unfortunately high number of unscrupulous tipsters out there who’s only interest is to dupe you into parting with hard earned money. With this in mind, we at Online Betting Exposed will leave no stone unturned in our attempts to expose these scoundrels!
If you know of any such tipster - or indeed any worthwhile tipster - please don’t hesitate to get in touch with us via our contact page and we will test them out on your behalf.
Until next time,
Online Betting Exposed
This was a great article Craig. I remember years ago they used to do this same thing by post, but I guess the Internet makes it even easier for them now. Thanks for taking such an honest approach with your website, it certainly is a breath of fresh air!
Unfortunately these kinds of scams are all too common in the horse racing world. I’ve been caught out myself once or twice.
I’ve seen it before too. What these people don’t realise is that now we have the Internet it’s much easier for people to talk to each other and bad news travels a lot faster than good news
I have subscribed to Max Redds daily tipsters system for two and a half months following his guidlines to the letter and his regularly published results show comfortable profits over this period.
However my experience has been quite the opposite and I am nursing losses of £1100 in total.
I have queried by Email why I am having a different experience concerning plus/minus points achieved and he has replied that it is not likely clients would show identical results to those illustrated due to the different times bets are placed and the odds achieved.
John, I’m sorry to hear about your losses but what you say is very interesting. I can understand his point that not everyone’s results will be exactly the same, however there shouldn’t be such a substantial difference as that. One to avoid by the sounds of it.
I’m going to review what I feel is one of the very best advisory services around at the weekend. I’ve subscribed to this myself for some time and I can honestly say that I wouldn’t bet without it now. Check back on Sunday or so as I should have it done by then.
I maintain a number of tipster services in my portfolio, and Redd Racing is one I’ve been following since last summer. I’m actually very happy indeed to continue my subscription. it’s one of very few services who stress the importance of getting value, and he gives suggested value prices with all his selections. I also was told about the VIP service. I had 2 free selections then signed up in January. Since then he’s sent out 2 very good winners and I am well ahead in profit. Playing devils advocate here, but Craig, what gives you the right to ’steal’ tips for free by using different email addresses, when I have to pay for my tips? It seems you got your just deserts when you got duff tips!
Sarah, I don’t really think that’s the point. We’ll regularly sign up for different deals like this for the purposes of our website, simply to test if everything is as it seems. In the case of Redd Racing it wasn’t and that’s why we reported it here. In order for us to report the facts about different services and provide people with a completely unbiased opinion, this is surely what we must do.
I’m not suggesting that their paid service isn’t exactly as they claim, but it appears they were using this age-old “trick” to attract customers into the service and that isn’t good.
For clarification see this:
http://www.bettingdetective.com/Redd_Racing.php
Here’s his blog too:
http://maxredd.blogspot.com
Since Craig posted this I’ve had another couple of people mention that they’ve had a similar experience with Redd Racing. I certainly wouldn’t encourage anyone to sign up now.
I questioned Max about this (I paid 200 quid for membership and I was admittedly concerned), and let me tell you what he told me. I’m not taking sides here, but I think his response makes sense, and like I say I’ve absolutely no cause for complaint with another winner at the weekend.:
If his membership software suspects the same person is requesting more than one free trial, it sends out a random selection. He said this is to protect genuine members from people trying to free-load trials. Which, even if you were doing it in the name of “research” is exactly what you were doing - stealing tips.
Its really hard to find consistent tipsters, and if you want another opinion, I think this kind of forum actually sometimes does a disservice by misrepresenting the rare good service.
Do you mind me asking if you ever approached Max Redd to let him reply, before crucifying him without a hearing?
Hi Sarah,
“If his membership software suspects the same person is requesting more than one free trial, it sends out a random selection.”
I’m not sure if it’s you or he who is trying to pull the wool over people’s eyes, but what you say is complete nonsense.
He uses Aweber to send out his selections, I’ve used Aweber since the very first week they started - about a decade ago - plus, I know the founder of Aweber extremely well, and I know for a fact that Aweber does NOT have the facility to do as you describe.
“Do you mind me asking if you ever approached Max Redd to let him reply, before crucifying him without a hearing?”
Yes, as Craig said in the article above Max did reply. His explanation was just as absurd then as his latest fable about Aweber.
We’ve received over a dozen emails from people who said they experienced the same thing with Redd Racing and you’re the only one who appears to be standing in his defence. What you said about “two good winners and a good profit” the last time you wrote didn’t even add up to what he wrote on his own blog.
People - if you’re reading this, all we’ve done is report the facts and many other people have come forward to back up what we first wrote, so I’d strongly suggest you avoid this service at all costs.
These posts from “Sarah” just make it all the more incredible
~ Paul
My personal experience of Redd racing was very poor and the problems were exactly the same as I’ve seen reported in numerous other places.
In order to give him a fair crack I ensured that I was by my computer every morning for a week and as soon as the daily email arrived I put orders into Betfair at the prices he advised.
When he reported his results they were completely different from mine with lots of claims of big priced winners at prices that were just not available at any time. When I questioned him on this he told me that he had been matched on WBX and the results were more a reflection of his own personal betting than his members.
What the point of this nonsense is I really don’t understand. Surely all his subscribers must do the same as i did and dismiss him as a conman and cancel their subscription. He does actually pick some good selections and i think he would be better off trying to build a reputable service with a long term loyal customer base.
Boom, boom. That’s how to sock it to them
I haven’t subscribed and I’ve got no intentions of doing so but to add my tuppence into the equation I’ve read a lot of bad reviews of Redd Racing. Same thing as you describe, among others.
It’s a no-go area if you’ve got any sense about you!
I notice Jim mentioned Betting detective anything positive on there i would take with a pinch of salt. It is run by Andy Minalto and is a self promoting site as he sells bookie club and pocket money system all the tactics in these two are available for free. Look for matched betting, scalping, sign up offers, etc and save paying him anything
I think that was just to highlight the fact that Betting Detective had mentioned exactly the same thing about Redd Racing Maggie. There wasn’t anything very positive in their article either.
Well Paul, you have your facts wrong, and I will say my piece before leaving this forum.
My “daily” message from Max is delivered by an Aweber system as you say, because it has the Aweber link at the bottom. But I thought this article was criticising the Saturday service? The VIP selections are not delivered by Aweber.
And I cannot remember ever seeing VIP results posted or written about on Max blog, so I am ready to be corrected, but it would seem you have that wrong too.
How dare you practically call me a liar when you cannot report the truth yourself? I suggest before you start accusing me of pulling anything over anyone’s eyes that you report some facts instead of blowing smoke up Tom Kulzers backside.
What is the point of having a forum if the views (sorry not views but facts) of anyone not following all the sheep are dismissed as absurd? - ridiculous!!
I come on here just to put an opposing view. I haven’t denounced anyone else’s views or opinions, but just because I am in a minority you stop short of calling me a liar.
You say you have a dozen emails and I’m the only one saying a good word. I’m only guessing here, but I would imagine for Max to be in business he has far more than a dozen happy customers (me included). By the arrogant logic of this particular forum, that puts you in the minority and your opinions absurd.
I’ve always enjoyed a good debate since my days at Uni but you are a bunch of children.
This debate and forum is a farce!
Hi Sarah,
We have reported the facts, you have not.
His free email service is managed by Aweber and what Craig was talking about in this article was his free email service. Max Redd was using his free email service to send multiple selections in the same race to different customers with the intention of impressing the small number who received the winning selection enough to join his membership service. That’s a fact.
The trials we - and you - were referring to are managed by Aweber and that autoresponder system, nor any other for that matter, has the ability to do as he claimed. So he lied.
As for “blowing smoke up Tom Kulzers backside”, if stating how Aweber works is blowing smoke up someone’s backside, then I guess I’m guilty as charged. Perhaps if Max was to check his facts in future before deliberately lying to you - as one of his merry band of paying customers - I wouldn’t need to point this out to you.
Not only has he been misleading potential customers, but he’s now lying to his paying customers too. If that fact alone isn’t enough to make you want to run a mile from his service, then I’d have to say that your misguided loyalty astounds me. After all, it was YOU he lied to, not me.
To be honest with you, if we’re in the minority I’m very happy about that, because it’s about time someone exposed the REAL truth about services like this….
~ Paul
Good point Paul!
Here, here! Call me a sheep Sarah but I’d rather listen to Paul and Craig who are putting forward a logical argument about this. Sorry but you’re not. You’ve said one thing and then another, backtracking all the way. I’ll say what Paul hasn’t — it sounds as if you are Max Redd!
I was about to say the same thing Mark. It sounds to me like you’ve been found out and are trying to do a bit of damage limitation Sarah/Max. I can’t see what good it would do for either Paul or Craig to say the service is rubbish if its not and so until its proven otherwise I’ll stick with these guys thanks
I’ve read this once, I’ve read it twice, and either Sarah is Max or she’s in need of some help. Max lied to her and she’s still coming on here blowing smoke up his backside, to quote her.
You should do yourself a favour Sarah and think about what you’re saying in future. Mark said the same thing I think, that you must be him. There’s no other explanation for it.
I really don’t see what the attraction is with tipping services in this country. It’s your money, do your own damn homework and earn the rewards.
I can only see three reasons why people will set up tipping lines:
1 - they are successful but have now been cut off by every bookie in the country
2 - they are shonky
3 - they have a big enough list to be able to back something themselves, then profit by laying it as all the sheep who follow him crush the price.
If they are not prepared to go on a site such as http://www.racing-index.com/tipsters/performance-comparison.php, then there’s a reason for it….
I pointed Mr. Redd towards this page as part of a conversation I was having with him about why he was sending emails about another SBK product - Cracking the Placepot.
Just so you have the full story, my email stated:-
“Well, I’m glad “Cracking The Placepot” (which I bought - silly me, - which led me to you, which tried to lead me back to Cracking The Placepot) is doing so darned well that you have to continue flogging it to death. If it was that great, why would you be selling it to as many people as you possibly can get to hand over their cash? Surely it would put a dent in the dividend every day if you had thousands of people using this guide to win the Placepot?”
Followed by the link to this page. His reply:-
“I’m not selling this eBook, I am recommending it to my readers. To establish whether it has affected the average dividend payout, you would be better to contact the author.
Hope you don’t mind me asking, but are you having a bad day? Seems to be a lot of pent up frustration in the tone of your emails.
I realize some people resent others being successful, but you might learn to chill out sometimes, if only for the sake of your health.
I’m well aware of this and other racing forums who love to hate successful tipsters - it’s a curious British thing, getting pleasure from criticizing successful people, don’t you think?
There will always be the small element who busy themselves gossiping, so I tend to let them get on with it, if they have nothing better to do with their time. Ultimately it has no effect on my business, so why you think I should be even the slightest bit interested, never mind concerned, is beyond me.
Anyway, nice to chat, go and crack yourself a cold one, and enjoy your Easter weekend.
Warmest best wishes,
Max Redd”
Make of that what you will. I’m actually going to follow one of his tips as there’s a chance it might be worthwhile this time around. That’s right, I’m going to go and crack myself a cold one.
I think his reply sums up what we thought anyway.
The reason his name has been mentioned on this website isn’t anything to do with how successful or unsuccessful he is - it’s simply because he was deceiving his prospective customers. I don’t think that’s much of a reason to be proud of your success.
I thought I’d chip in with my opinion on Max Redd…I was a member for 3 months last year and I turned a 500 bank into just under 7k and really enjoyed the service..I only left because I cashed my winnings, went away for a while and decided I wanted to have my own methods of betting….Max was always friendly and quick to respond to any emails..However, yes its true..he did ALWAYS get the best prices i.e a win back bet that I would get at 5/1, he would invariably get the likes of 7/1 and a losing lay bet, if I laid at 3/1 and it won, guess what, max would have laid it at 2/1..this was annoying and very occasionally, he would publish a winning bet that I didn’t even manage to bet on as the price was never achieved (despite leaving an order in the market). This would mean that in a lower points winning month, members would probably notice discrepancy more as they would not likely be in profit but Max’s results would…I have to say however that long term, I genuinely believe following his selections will result in a good profit..
I recently contacted him to say that I’d been reading some bad reviews re his published prices..his response was that what he does now is as follows..2 of his long term members send him what prices they obtained and he publishes the average.
Anyway, those are my thoughts
I would like to see much greater regulation of all sport betting tipster services. Casinos, and other betting organisations have to be regulated, so why not tipster services?
Great post - I love to see con-merchants get caught out - well done.
Sarah/Max or whoever you are - time to go back to the day job lol
Hello all,This is the first time i have had a look on this site,and very good it is.With reference to Max Redd.As many of you have said he sends out different horses in the same race.I took him up on this point and received an almost identical e-mail of him with regards the random sending.
After receiving the e-mail from him i decided to get 3 of my friends,who all incidentally,don’t gamble, to apply for his v.i.p selections.WHAT HAPPENED? All 3 received a different horse in the same race.2 of the horses lost abysmally but 1 of them won at 25/1,yep 25/1.
The next day the mate who was given the 25/1 shot received an e-mail boasting of the predicted success of the horse in question.He was then asked to sign up for the next runner which was EXPECTED TO ROMP HOME. He didn’t join.
The other 2 friends received nothing,well ,not for a week anyway.The following Friday they received a BETTING ALERT for a horse that was running on the Saturday.
Saturday came and guess what? They were each given a different horse in the same race.They both lost.
My first post and a negative one.For this i appologize,but i believe these things must be said.
All the best. p.s. Once again,a good infomative site.
Sorry,i forgot to say that Mr Redd had said that he knew i was sending in for multiple free trials,as he could tell by my ISP address,hence the reason he gave me losers.The first horse he gave me lost anyway.
It was this reason that i thought i would get my 3 friends on the case from their own computers,with,obviously different ISP addresses.That excuse did not therefore stand up.
Max redd racing tips
I sent for his tips last week on the week free trial basis
day 1 to day 6 he sent 20 horses, all to bet on for a win, he had one odds on winner out of the lot
his tips for betting to lose were two winners and three losers
all in, god knows how this man makes a profit
Yeah, I think there’s little doubt that this is one to avoid. We’ve had so many reports along similar lines to your own experiences that it’s gone way past the chance of it being a coincidence.
There are some great advisory services around, not least of all Mathematician Betting who recommended two bets yesterday - both winners - and they were available at about 9/1 and 15/1 on Betfair, so if you’re looking for a service like this that’s definitely the one I’d recommend.
Max Redd is a conman for sure. Ive had lengthy correspondence with him and I can tell you that he is a very unpleasant character. He is a clever marketer and has thought of lots of devices to look like a winner and excuses for when he is found out but ultimately he doesnt give a **** what others think of him. The idea behind his minimum price stipulation is that when he tips a loser he can say it wasnt a bet because it didnt reach the required price and when he does tip a winner he can claim overinflated odds. Leave well alone.
Hi, Any particular reason my post was not allowed in this thread? :o(
Fox
I don’t know which post you mean Fox. Some posts get caught in our “spam catcher” if they have URLs or text that looks spammy, but I can’t remember seeing anything.
The one that would have appeared to have avoided your “spam catcher” because it was on your site for a day or so awaiting moderation, then mysteriously disappeared. There were no URLs nor references to anything but previous posts, so I would be surprised it was even condsidered as “spam” of any kind. Controversial maybe? Sorry, I’ve obviously made a mistake in thinking this was a public forum…. lol
Fox, this isn’t a “public forum”…. it’s our personal website…. but if you have any comments to make about Max Redd then you’re quite welcome to air them here. Be as controversial as you like about Max Redd….. we, along with everyone else, have done the same
I think what Max Redd is doing is dispicable. I should like to congratulate Craig on bringing this matter to everyone’s attention. In Australia where I am from originally, tipsters are far less common. Generally punters spend more time studying form and coming to their own conclusions, rather than paying for tips.
Does anyone else agree that the most satisfying way of trying to make a profit from betting, is to do it on your own?
That said, I think it is admirable what you guys are doing on this site to help punters, and if only there were more sites around like this. You obviously put in a lot of hard work to review all these systems and sort the good from the bad. Saves the punters a lot of cash otherwise spent on bogus systems that lose money.
Fox
Thanks for informing us about Max Redd. Another service does exactly the same thing, so be aware of this service. http://www.stablewhispers.com. I signed up to recieve a free tip, I used 2 seperate email addresses and you guessed it, I recieved 2 different tips for the same race!! Sadly for punters, one of the tips won the race ( Catt 5.30 - 5/8 /08 Guto @ $13.00 ) - so some punters are going to get sucked in and will sign up for this service.
Lets look after each other and expose these scam artists.
Anyone had any experiences of Colin Davey’s Sovereign Investments ? I gave it a try a few years ago. He sounded very enthusiastic & impressiveon his daily premium rate messages. He would give a bet about twice a week. One hot streak saw about 8 winners in a row, then there was a a losing streak. His advice was to bet 10% of your bank. I did’nt do that so not sure if I would have come out with a profit over the long run.